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Subject: Minutes of the 10/24 teleconference.



Unapproved Minutes of the Mack T-10 Task Force
Conference Call
October 24, 2001

Members participating:
Jeff Clark;  Pat Fetterman;  Bob Campbell;  Dino Righi;  Greg Shank;  Jim
Gutzwiller;  Jim Moritz;  Jim Rutherford;  Jim Wells;  Joe Franklin;
Riccardo Conti;  Ron Buck; Scott Richards;  Wim Van Dam;  John Haegelin;
Perry Grosch.

Lead targets:
Following a group discussion with input from Jim Rutherford, the group
consensus is to keep the transformation for the 0 to 300 hour lead values.
The 250 to 300 lead values do not require a transformation, and a motion to
make the 250 to 300 hour lead a non-critical but severity adjusted parameter
passed with no negatives. The initial LTMS targets will be taken from the
oil A matrix data using the mean value of 8.2 ppm and the standard deviation
of 5.2. Jeff Clark will develop control charts for 250-300 hour lead and
calculate S.A.'s The S.A.'s will become effective as of midnight on October
25.

Oxidation:
A motion to drop the I.R. oxidation parameter from TMC monitoring was a
narrow pass. Greg Shank suggested that we should re-address this topic at
the next meeting.

75 hour sample:
Following discussion the group agreed to standardize the 75 hour sample size
at 8 oz. Jeff Clark will revise the test procedure to reflect this
clarification.

T-10A:
The group agreed to the desirability of having a 75 hour flush and run test
procedure as an alternate to running a full length T-10 just to generage a
sooted oil sample for MRV testing. This 75 hour test will be run identically
to the first 75 hours of the T-10 test including the ability to time on the
fly.
Jeff Clark suggetsed that the T-8A test can be used as a template for this
new test, and that it should be added to the T-10 procedure as an annex to
the existing procedure.
In order to accelerate data aquisition in the T-10A, it was agreed that it
will require a reference test after 5 candidate tests. However, running a
T-10A test should NOT impact the  stand  reference for full length T-10
tests.
The TMC will monitor MRV data for severity adjustments only, and they will
calculate targets and S.A.'s using the existing oil A reduced data set.
Scott Richards offered his thoughts on a flushing procedure for the T-10A
(three hot flushes after test using Mack Bulldog oil and three flushes
before test using the next candidate), and he suggested that we should ONLY
run the modified MRV procedure. After discussion the group consensus was
that a decision regarding the exact MRV procedure is outside the scope of
the T-10 T.F., and it should be addressed by the LOTRUO group.

TAN/TBN:
Joe Franklin reported that he had a list of specific test clarifications
which should improve the precision of TAN/TBN measurements. Wim suggested
that Joe should circulate his list to the T.F. members for review and
comment, and we will discuss it at our next meeting. In response to a
question regarding a potential TAN/TBN round robin using oils supplied by
Joe, four labs responded positively. Any feedback to Joe's proposal is due
to him by today (10/31).

Exhaust Manifolds:
Ron Buck reported that they are still working on a fix for exhaust manifold
cracking. He expressed concern over how extensive any proposed changes can
be before they begin to impact test operation. Jeff Clark suggested that we
could consider physically adjusting all components to operate with zero
stress while hot, and then accepting a bit of prestress when the engine is
cold.  Work is continuing.

T-10 Research Report:
Guidance from Ralph Cherrillo is that the Research Report can be fully
accepted with endorsement at Task Force and HDEOCP levels. Jeff Clark
offered to incorporate the proposed changes to define the T-10A test, and
then we will have an e-mail ballot of the Task Force to endores the report
during the week of 10/29.

Liner wear step round robin:
Jeff Clark reported that the liners had been measured by all labs, and he is
awaiting the final results before publishing. At this point there appears to
be a severity bias between the PDI and Tallysurf instruments. Jeff suggested
that we hold another teleconference to discuss the results, but it is his
belief that action will be required to address this bias.

Regards,
Pat Fetterman
Industry Liaison, Infineum USA L.P.
(908) 474-3099 - ph
(908) 474-3363 - fx